the two big laws passed previously in 2010. affordable care act, well intentioned, very costly and those are posing problems too. >> earlier this week, we spoke with grover norquist. you signed the pledge not to sign taxes. >> i did. >> he supported speaker boehner's plan "b" and said it wouldn't violate his pledge. here's what he told us earlier this week. listen. >> i think in fact, plan "b" is a good step to protecting tax cuts for everybody. >> if you look at current law, current law says as we all know, part of the fiscal cliff '01, '03 tax relief measures will expire on january 1st. at this point, everybody's taxes go up. we all know that. we all want to forestall that. >> how high are you willing to go? if not a million, than what? >> well, let's bear in mind that every new tax burden we apply has consequences for the real economy and for growth, so the very west thing we could do, the very best thing we could do is we're not increasing taxes -- are you don't want to agree to that? >> exactly. i would imagine we're going